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Big time lockerroom problem with the Jets and kings. I’m sure LA is happy to unload that contract.
- Sabretooth9

Another team not afraid to admit a recent mistake, but Adams must love everyone.

Another team not afraid to admit a recent mistake, but Adams must love everyone.
- kingcong39

Yup 100% correct.

Drury also got rid of all 4 guys he signed and brought in also.

Another team not afraid to admit a recent mistake, but Adams must love everyone.
- kingcong39

THE ARGUMENT FOR DUBOIS:
Having said all of that, there are a few reasons why the Kings would make this deal.

If they’re hellbent on winning at all costs with Kopitar and Drew Doughty still playing at a high level, then going all in for another star makes some sense. Again, only if they fix their real problems first.

And Dubois is a great player who’s entering his prime years. Trading for a player like that is never a “bad trade” but can be an unnecessary one.

If the Kings have lost faith in Byfield as a future number-one center, then I can see them making this trade, as they need someone to take over for Kopitar when he starts to decline.

But I’d also be hesitant to put that expectation on Dubois. He isn’t, and likely never will be, a Kopitar-level player. At 24, almost 25, his career-high is 63 points and he hasn’t been a 1C up to this point.

Dubois strikes me as an elite 2C, but fairly average 1C. And that isn’t a knock on Dubois, but when compared to the truly elite players in the league, he’s a step or two below.

So, again, even though there are some arguments to be made for Dubois, I don’t think they’re legitimate.

He makes the team better because he is a very good player. But doesn’t address any issues now, and even if you feel like you need an heir apparent to Kopitar, he doesn’t really fit that mold either.

OFF-ICE “ISSUES”:
The last thing I want to touch on with Dubois is some people’s opinion that he’s toxic or a locker room “cancer” because he’s requested a trade in both Columbus and Winnipeg.

Even if you don’t like players requesting traded, stop making assumptions about how players act or fit into a locker room. No one, not even the media, really knows the locker room dynamic behind closed doors so you shouldn’t make assumptions.

People said the same thing about Jack Eichel and even Ryan O’Reilly when they requested trades out of Buffalo and all of the “issues” suddenly disappeared on their new team. Dialing back the clock, the same could be said about Jeff Carter in Columbus.

https://lahockeynow.com/2...rumors-pierre-luc-dubois/

this is a really good objective article on PLD showing both sides

Yup 100% correct.

Drury also got rid of all 4 guys he signed and brought in also.

- Sabretooth9

Bad teams overly worry about the cap.

Good teams understand it's not a concern because they know they'll always figure it out.

Bad teams overly worry about the cap.

Good teams understand it's not a concern because they know they'll always figure it out.

- kingcong39

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Everything I've read says the buyout window starts 48 hours after the series ends (game 7 is 6/24) and ends on the 30th. So that's 4 days of availability unless I'm missing something

Edit:

This guy says the 1/3 buyout amount is tied to age and he was born on the 24th. That's a real weird one.

https://x.com/HabitantSou...tatus/1803513033798414829

- Hank Balling

Thanks

THE ARGUMENT FOR DUBOIS:
Having said all of that, there are a few reasons why the Kings would make this deal.

If they’re hellbent on winning at all costs with Kopitar and Drew Doughty still playing at a high level, then going all in for another star makes some sense. Again, only if they fix their real problems first.

And Dubois is a great player who’s entering his prime years. Trading for a player like that is never a “bad trade” but can be an unnecessary one.

If the Kings have lost faith in Byfield as a future number-one center, then I can see them making this trade, as they need someone to take over for Kopitar when he starts to decline.

But I’d also be hesitant to put that expectation on Dubois. He isn’t, and likely never will be, a Kopitar-level player. At 24, almost 25, his career-high is 63 points and he hasn’t been a 1C up to this point.

Dubois strikes me as an elite 2C, but fairly average 1C. And that isn’t a knock on Dubois, but when compared to the truly elite players in the league, he’s a step or two below.

So, again, even though there are some arguments to be made for Dubois, I don’t think they’re legitimate.

He makes the team better because he is a very good player. But doesn’t address any issues now, and even if you feel like you need an heir apparent to Kopitar, he doesn’t really fit that mold either.

OFF-ICE “ISSUES”:
The last thing I want to touch on with Dubois is some people’s opinion that he’s toxic or a locker room “cancer” because he’s requested a trade in both Columbus and Winnipeg.

Even if you don’t like players requesting traded, stop making assumptions about how players act or fit into a locker room. No one, not even the media, really knows the locker room dynamic behind closed doors so you shouldn’t make assumptions.

People said the same thing about Jack Eichel and even Ryan O’Reilly when they requested trades out of Buffalo and all of the “issues” suddenly disappeared on their new team. Dialing back the clock, the same could be said about Jeff Carter in Columbus.

https://lahockeynow.com/2...rumors-pierre-luc-dubois/

this is a really good objective article on PLD showing both sides

- homiedclown

The Sabres catching strays there at the end

The Sabres catching strays there at the end
- Hank Balling

- homiedclown

"Tell Zemgus we can do $5m"

Why no like?

They needed a higher end centre than what they had.

PLD
Strome
McMichael
Dowd
Hendrix

down the middle now.

- DirtyDan

I like Strome better than PLD and I think McMichael and Lapiere are really good players. If anything, I think they needed D help and a better supporting cast to get better. They did improve the team, no doubt, but this makes winning harder overall. I was in for PLD 50% retained. He's not awful. But at full price, Washington just acquired one of the worst contracts in the league IMO.

But at full price, Washington just acquired one of the worst contracts in the league IMO.
- QuinnFan

Power at 8 mil is not much better given his play last year

https://x.com/travisyost/...tatus/1803516266147356974

"Believe the Ottawa Senators and Philadelphia Flyers have the framework of a trade in place as well, though this one may go closer to the Draft."

I like Strome better than PLD and I think McMichael and Lapiere are really good players. If anything, I think they needed D help and a better supporting cast to get better. They did improve the team, no doubt, but this makes winning harder overall. I was in for PLD 50% retained. He's not awful. But at full price, Washington just acquired one of the worst contracts in the league IMO.
- QuinnFan

I 100% agree with you, I was totally against the idea of him coming here. Even with $$$ retained.

I just think Washington is the type of team to take the risk on him. They have ZERO to lose IMO. Ovechkin with the goal record should be their ultimate goal the next few years.

And if PLD turns around and is a 60+ pt player again the contract wont be so bad and they have another player to build around for when OV retires.

https://x.com/travisyost/status/1803516266147356974

"Believe the Ottawa Senators and Philadelphia Flyers have the framework of a trade in place as well, though this one may go closer to the Draft."

- Hank Balling

Chiqorin for Couturier

f*ckk this crashing website!!:! Typed an awesome, insightful post and it crashes right before hitting submit. f*ckk this BS, not typing all of that again.

Edit; back to the telescope to watch for the incoming meteor......
what, you think Panthers are going to win the Cup??
Kaboom, t-Rex boy.

- homiedclown

Hello Hello Am I still on Hold, I don't Hear anymore Music

Hello Hello Am I still on Hold, I don't Hear anymore Music
- Buff36

no cell phone reception at the lake house

no cell phone reception at the lake house
- homiedclown

Watch they'll be 10 trades before the draft, and we will get a Tyson Jost signing.

f*ckk this crashing website!!:! Typed an awesome, insightful post and it crashes right before hitting submit. f*ckk this BS, not typing all of that again.

Edit; back to the telescope to watch for the incoming meteor......
what, you think Panthers are going to win the Cup??
Kaboom, t-Rex boy.

- Ratsreign

What was it all aboot

Hello Hello Am I still on Hold, I don't Hear anymore Music
- Buff36

Watch they'll be 10 trades before the draft, and we will get a Tyson Jost signing.
- Buff36

"We are excited to bring Tyson back. He brings that experience and leadership you need in a locker room if your going to take that next step. We like his work ethic and at the end of the day it's important to bring back players that want to be here."

"We are excited to bring Tyson back. He brings that experience and leadership you need in a locker room if your going to take that next step. We like his work ethic and at the end of the day it's important to bring back players that want to be here."
- homiedclown

And on that Note, Tyson will be reporting to Rochester

f*ckk this crashing website!!:! Typed an awesome, insightful post and it crashes right before hitting submit. f*ckk this BS, not typing all of that again.

Edit; back to the telescope to watch for the incoming meteor......
what, you think Panthers are going to win the Cup??
Kaboom, t-Rex boy.

- Ratsreign

Yes Friday, before the Meteor hits

"We are excited to bring Tyson back. He brings that experience and leadership you need in a locker room if your going to take that next step. We like his work ethic and at the end of the day it's important to bring back players that want to be here."
- homiedclown

Waiting to see what that Ottawa Philadelphia trade is. And how much more of a Sack Briere has then Top 3

Yes Friday, before the Meteor hits
- Buff36